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https://doi.org/10.5194/angeo-43-593-2025
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the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.Comparing Monte Carlo simulations, mean particle theory estimates, and observations of H+ and O+ outflows at high altitudes and latitudes
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Review Barghouthi and Halaika
Summary
The paper makes a comparison between an empirical model of ion heating using velocity diffusion parameters, the Barghouthi model, the “mean particle model” of Chang et al. (1986) and some different observations. Whereas I do not find the comparison to the mean particle model very enlightening, it is worthwhile to keep testing and refining models of ion heating through wave particle interaction. Wave particle interaction is an important heating mechanism for magnetospheric ions, and it is difficult to incorporate in large scale numerical models of magnetospheres. Empirical descriptions of the wave activity combined with simulations such as those presented here are therefore important to elucidate the importance of wave particle interaction. Limitations such as what fraction of observed wave power is efficient in heating ions and saturation effects such as limited wavelength / gyro radius effects can be investigated.
In the present paper the authors further investigate the importance of including altitude dependent velocity diffusion coefficients as well as including a wave length limitation.
I would suggest that the authors significantly simplifies the paper by removing the comparison to the “mean particle theory” as comparisons with that has been done before. It is also a very simple model where we already know we need to use more detailed models such as the “Barghouthi model”. The comparison to the observations is still interesting, though I think some clarifications are needed in that part, see detailed comments.
Because of lacking clarity in the most important section, I have indicated the presentation as not being clear. I believe fixing that is really just a minor revision.
I also think the paper is longer than it needs to be.
Detailed comments:
I would remove point 1 as stated above.
Line 18: …”use velocity and altitude diffusion coefficients…” My understanding is that the authors mean ... use velocity and altitude dependent diffusion coefficients. Same in lines 20 and 23.
Line 70: remove “…because there are several events at lower altitude.”, the reason that the locally observed fields were unlikely to be the source of heating was that they were of too low amplitude. In the subsequent paper (Waara et al. 2011) it was essentially found that this case study was an exception.
Line 74: I would add: Waara et al. (2011, 2012) provided a statistical study of ion heating and related wave activity. They provided average values of diffusion coefficients…
Line 78: “They expected the relation…” this sentence is a bit unclear. Looking up the reference I suppose the authors mean that “The electric to magnetic field spectral density ratios were found to be close to what is expected for Alfvén waves.”
Line 88: As suggested elsewhere, I would remove the comparison with the mean particle theory.
Equation (8): Spell out explicitly what this equation means, I.e. to my understanding the saturation of the diffusion coefficient due to the finite wave length of the waves. I think it would also be prudent to cite Bouhram et al. here again, as they were first with introducing the finite wavelength effect.
Line 164: Once again, I do not think the comparison with an older very simple model adds anything to the paper.
Line 218 section 3.2
This is the interesting part of the paper. Unfortunately it is also the least complete. It is very unclear what the observational data they Cooper with is, and how this study is related to what was already reported in Bargouthi et al (2016). This must be made much clearer. I started reading Barghouti et al. (2016) but it is not really my job to sort this out in a clear fashion. So what I have found is that Nilsson et al. (2013) divided the diffusion coefficients after region. This was extended in Barghouthi et al. (2016) to cover a larger altitude interval as well as different diffusion coefficient combinations, including the maximum and minimum values used in the present paper.
Thus the observations shown are as I understand from Nilsson et al. (2013). The minimum and maximum values around that are from Barghouthi et al. (2016). This should be made clear.
Line 233, Figure 3: Minimum and maximum values appear to be interchanged. Highest temperatures are seen for the dotted line, this must correspond to the maximum case and vice versa.
Note that Barghouthi et al. (2016) is missing from the reference list.